Time Slip Page
Updated 12June1998
As you can see I have broken the times down so that we can see how modifications effected performance. In general, I didn't go to the track unless I had a mod to test out, and that is obvious by looking at the dates and mods.
In an effort to filter out variations in driving, and give some kind of meaningful data, I have included an average for each visit to the track. I've excluded certain runs from the averages because they would have skewed the numbers making them useless. Things such as passengers, bad launches and bad shifting choices do effect my times in a real manner, but they need to be ignored if we are to gleam any real info from the times concerning modification effects. Where I have excluded a run from the average it has been noted. If you have a problem with my choices feel free to make your case. I will listen. In some cases, the exclusion of times actually reduced the "perceived benefit" of a later mod. Remember I am just trying to make the comparisons valid, not make my times look better than they are. Otherwise, I wouldn't even have posted the "bad" times :)
Something to notice in the time slips from
31 Oct 97:
For those runs with which I had my new exhaust, you can see that I dropped my ET and
raised my trap speed (93 to 95.5 mph) significantly. However, if you study things closely
you will see that the speed gained in the last half of the run is nearly the same as
before the exhaust install (18.86 to 19.5 mph), and that most of the speed I gained can be
attributed to the first half of the run (72.8 to 76.1 mph). I have some excel spreadsheet
charts that better illustrate this. I just haven't been bothered to put then on the web
yet.
What Does this mean? . . . Well after talking with a few people who have been around longer than me, we all came to the same conclusion. With the small Garrett T25 turbo, there is very little top end power you can squeeze out of it. What this mean is any gains from exhaust and intake mods manifests themselves in better spool-up which only effect the first half of the track where all the shifting occurs. Someone asked me, "Could it just be that your shifting better?" Well that is possible but if you look at the other time slips you can see that my shifting is basically consistent, and that if you compare equal 60ft times with and without the exhaust the theory still hold true. Besides that is what the averages are for . . to try and eliminate variances in my driving. Not to mention that it doesn't take a brain surgeon to stay at WOT in 3rd gear till the finish line :) So a turbo upgrade is definitely the next step. Of course full porting of the exhaust manifold and O2 housing will also occur before the new turbo. This probably won't help the T25 much, but it will get the car ready for the new turbo, which just might be a ported 14b for money reasons unless I can find a used 16g or Super60/T28. I think I can get over 100 MPH and pull low 13's with just the 14b. Anyone else wanna take a guess??
UPDATE:
Ok so I now have the 16g. something a lot of you seem to have been waiting to here about. I will say this. It is FAST. But not as fast as it could be. to put it simply I AM RUNNING RICH . .VERY RICH. So rich that I ran a SLOWER trap at 20 psi than I did at 17 psi. I have an APEXi S-AFC on the way and access to CarComp the OBDII monitoring software, and plan on using them both to tune this baby just right. then I should be flying. I have also gotten into AutoX. I had a chance to drive with both the T25 and the 16g. I am not sure about clipped 16g's but this ported/unclipped 16g doesn't feel too bad on the track. There is no doubt my driving, tires and suspension (in that order) are holding me back more than the turbo :)
16 May 1997
Mods:
# | R/T | 60' | 330' | 1/8 | MPH | 990' | 1/4 | MPH | Notes |
1 | 1.782 | 2.291 | 6.370 | 9.737 | 73.63 | 12.571 | 15.147 | 88.60 | |
2 | 1.055 | 2.112 | 6.199 | 9.634 | 72.45 | 12.508 | 15.135 | 86.80 | |
3 | .769 | 2.479 | 6.681 | 10.147 | 71.78 | 13.012 | 15.605 | 88.13 | |
4 | .730 | 2.293 | 6.453 | 9.905 | 71.84 | 12.799 | 15.433 | 86.70 | |
5 | 1.122 | 2.294 | 6.469 | 9.935 | 71.65 | 12.780 | 15.324 | 91.18 | Didn't shift into 4th for the rest of the day |
6 | .842 | 2.291 | 6.431 | 9.890 | 71.65 | 12.739 | 15.289 | 90.91 | |
7 | .758 | 2.232 | 6.437 | 9.886 | 71.89 | 12.731 | 15.283 | 90.90 | |
8 | .775 | 2.095 | 6.221 | 9.692 | 71.50 | 12.549 | 15.106 | 89.25 | |
9 | .804 | 2.238 | 6.398 | 9.841 | 72.07 | 12.681 | 15.223 | 89.82 | |
10 | .654 | 2.085 | 6.114 | 9.517 | 72.67 | 12.337 | 14.874 | 91.27 | WOO HOO . . . 14's |
11 | .740 | 2.047 | 6.166 | 9.600 | 72.09 | 12.431 | 14.968 | 91.37 | Woo Hoo . . . . I backed it up |
12 | .677 | 2.134 | 6.247 | 9.718 | 71.43 | 12.588 | 15.162 | 88.70 | Had a 120lb Passenger |
13 | .702 | 2.145 | 6.263 | 9.758 | 71.32 | 12.628 | 15.195 | 88.98 | Had a 120lb Passenger |
14 | .718 | 2.182 | 6.301 | 9.741 | 71.72 | 12.589 | 15.139 | 90.96 | Had a 120lb Passenger |
15 | .704 | 2.078 | 6.202 | 9.623 | 72.27 | 12.451 | 14.986 | 91.40 | No passenger this time can't you tell :) |
X | .754 | 2.152 | 6.281 | 9.721 | 72.02 | 12.560 | 15.104 | 90.7 | Average (I have excluded the first runs in which I shifted into 4th and the ones with the pax because they would not give an accurate indication of the cars performance) |
22 August 1997
Mods:
# | R/T | 60' | 330' | 1/8 | MPH | 990' | 1/4 | MPH | Notes |
16 | .838 | 2.102 | 6.123 | 9.563 | 70.03 | 12.516 | 15.027 | 89.28 | Came right off the highway to the lane |
17 | .776 | 2.099 | 6.063 | 9.382 | 74.36 | 12.223 | 14.630 | 93.20 | Now that is more like it - .244 improvement |
18 | .761 | 2.129 | 6.118 | 9.438 | 74.49 | 12.272 | 14.677 | 92.87 | Beat an old Z28 :) |
19 | .751 | 2.095 | 6.061 | 9.401 | 74.22 | 12.243 | 14.654 | 92.94 | I would say that is consistent (c: |
X | .763 | 2.108 | 6.081 | 9.407 | 74.36 | 12.246 | 14.654 | 93.00 | AVERAGE (excludes first run which is an obvious outlier) |
11 September 1997
Mods:
# | R/T | 60' | 330' | 1/8 | MPH | 990' | 1/4 | MPH | Notes |
20 | .820 | 1.946 | 5.912 | 9.215 | 75.08 | 14.480 | 92.79 | YES . . . Finally a sub-2.0 60' . . . and a new personal best :) | |
21 | .991 | 1.970 | 5.952 | 9.261 | 74.95 | 14.514 | 93.19 | A new best MPH . . . I NEED a cat-back NOW | |
X | .905 | 1.958 | 5.932 | 9.238 | 75.01 | 14.497 | 92.99 | AVERAGE (A sample of two isn't very good though) |
3 October 1997
Mods:
# | R/T | 60' | 330' | 1/8 | MPH | 990' | 1/4 | MPH | Notes |
22 | .480 | 2.112 | 6.017 | 9.329 | 73.33 | 12.135 | 14.538 | 93.11 | Stomped some V8 w/o an exhaust . . . he was VERY cocky |
23 | .617 | 1.896 | 5.780 | 9.078 | 74.41 | 11.905 | 14.302 | 93.57 | My best run ever, best 60', ET, and trap speed !!!!! |
24 | .931 | 1.909 | 5.783 | 9.104 | 73.17 | 11.917 | 14.327 | 92.77 | Good enough to back it up, but almost a full MPH slower?? |
25 | .823 | 2.127 | 6.077 | 9.436 | 72.62 | 12.259 | 14.702 | 92.16 | Bogged the launched, shifted into 4th . . . Bad choice |
X | .676 | 1.972 | 5.860 | 9.170 | 73.64 | 11.986 | 14.389 | 93.15 | AVERAGE (again I'm excluding the last run because I shifted into 4th and that would represent the real performance of the car) |
31 October 1997
Mods:
# | R/T | 60' | 330' | 1/8 | MPH | 990' | 1/4 | MPH | Notes |
26 | .597 | 2.165 | 6.114 | 9.382 | 75.93 | 12.159 | 14.551 | 93.42 | Used these shift point: 7000, 6500, 6200 |
27 | .601 | 2.049 | 5.887 | 9.114 | 76.18 | 11.879 | 14.225 | 95.58 | Used these shift points: 7000, 7000 (same for the rest of the night) Raced a del Sol who turned a 14.9 . . . his RT was a .111 and he almost beat me across the line. Not too bad for a del Sol though |
28 | .600 | 2.091 | 5.928 | 9.171 | 75.28 | 11.905 | 14.248 | 95.69 | Still can't get my launch down |
29 | .531 | 1.973 | 5.821 | 9.052 | 76.53 | 11.807 | 14.142 | 96.07 | Looking good for 13's Beat a 97 Formula V8 with headers :) He had a 14.442@99.35 Our RT's were very close but his 60' sucked. |
30 | .591 | 1.939 | 5.796 | 9.057 | 74.85 | 11.807 | 14.169 | 94.74 | Didn't shift as fast as usual |
31 | .669 | 1.882 | 5.69 | 8.915 | 76.79 | 11.662 | 13.995 | 96.15 | Need I say more !!!!!!! Oh and this is all on a stock clutch too |
32 | .508 | 1.981 | 5.813 | 9.031 | 76.92 | 11.773 | 14.102 | 96.29 | Look at that MPH. I Beat a guy with a 13.972@103.69 across the line because I out drove him with my RT . . . he was pissed because he was trying and got a .778 RT . . . ROFL |
33 | .603 | 1.990 | 5.809 | 9.026 | 76.89 | 11.765 | 14.087 | 96.38 | Another MPH improvement. This car is a 13.9x car, but I'm a 14.1x driver |
X | .586 | 1.986 | 5.820 | 9.052 | 76.20 | 11.800 | 14.138 | 95.84 | Average (Doesn't include the first run which used bad shift points skewing the averages) |
2 April 1998
Mods:
Note: I was having some really bad problems with controlling boost. I was getting bad bad creep and I even tried porting things more to no avail. It turned out to be my wastegate actuator rod was rubbing the lower heat shield. So for these runs I was getting slow slow spool and 16psi. I tested for 3 hours to get the bleeder/restrictor combo to not creep and spool relatively well. Spool still sucked, and it along with creep, we both dependant on what rpm I went WOT.
Also my 2nd gear was trashed but I didn't know this till my first run at the track. On the street it worked fine, until after the strip. It died faster and faster and 2 weeks later I had a new tranny and a new OEM clutch disc and pressure plate. The plate and the disc were pretty well beat up but still pulled me some nice launches on this day (once I learned how to launch again :)
# | R/T | 60' | 330' | 1/8 | MPH | 990' | 1/4 | MPH | Notes |
34 | .928 | 2.031 | 6.246 | 9.491 | 77.04 | 14.475 | 97.63 | Um . .think I can learn how to launch, I was getting some serious crunch in 2nd gear | |
35 | .504 | 2.042 | 5.996 | 9.119 | 77.57 | 14.160 | 98.69 | More fun with launching. Hey it has been a few months. OK now 2nd gear is just toast. For all runs after this 2nd gear grinds like a bitch and I am double clutching | |
36 | .574 | 1.901 | 5.727 | 8.877 | 13.781 | 99.08 | Ahh . .back under 2.0 . . .AND a new record (ET and trap) . . things are looking up. Not bad for slow spool and double clutching 2nd gear. I raced a 1998 z28 on this run. His friend came up to one of my friends afterwards and asked "WTF does your friend have in there? A V6 turbo . . . he just SMOKED my buddy and he has a drag rear end." . . . his buddy had run a 14.260@102.58 | ||
37 | .791 | 1.896 | 5.669 | 8.833 | 80.08 | 13.722 | 98.87 | This just keeps getting better, and I am back in the saddle with the launches | |
38 | .696 | 1.903 | 5.677 | 8.822 | 79.79 | 13.715 | 99.55 | HAHAHA now I am really getting happy :) | |
39 | .789 | 1.879 | 5.742 | 8.869 | 80.24 | 13.721 | 100.25 | BWAAAAA record launch AND record trap speed | |
40 | .607 | 1.958 | 5.190 | 8.889 | 80.63 | 13.741 | 100.69 | DOH . . it just keeps getting faster :p AND I won a bet for a beer with Jason Allerding for best launch, since he had a T25 and racing for ET wouldn't be fair :) | |
X | .692 | 1.904 | 5.722 | 8.857 | 80.18 | 13.736 | 99.74 | Average (Doesn't include the first two runs since I couldn't shift for shit) |
28 May 1998
Mods:
Um . . . let just say this new clutch minus the clutch restrictor GRABS . . . I couldn't launch the car worth a damn. Every time I bogged no matter what. I need to slow my foot down now that the restrictor isn't doing it for me. I had to leave early so I only got two runs in. :(
# | R/T | 60' | 330' | 1/8 | MPH | 990' | 1/4 | MPH | Notes |
41 | .809 | 2.023 | 5.993 | 9.202 | 77.32 | 14.211 | 96.74 | SHADUP . . I don't want to here it. | |
42 | .601 | 2.287 | 6.266 | 9.468 | 77.84 | 14.498 | 96.78 | OK I will NOT tell you again, laugh one more time and I will KICK YOUR ASS :) | |
I'm not even going to waste my time with an average . . . the average of shit is still SHIT |
29 May 1998
Mods:
Ok . . . so I am still in search of the part of my brain that controls launching . . . I seem to have misplaced it/
# | R/T | 60' | 330' | 1/8 | MPH | 990' | 1/4 | MPH | Notes |
43 | .422 | 2.062 | 5.908 | 9.091 | 77.07 | 11.753 | 14.052 | 97.76 | This is at 20 psi and 114 race gas. I was Running VERY VERY RICH . .like 1.0 on the voltmeter. Looks like the rewired fuel pump is holding up well. |
44 | .519 | 1.918 | 5.721 | 8.884 | 77.721 | 11.533 | 13.839 | 98.07 | OK, now that is a little better . . . but I'm still running slow than the first time. Again 20psi. It has cooled off and I am now getting fuel cut. |
45 | .567 | 1.921 | 5.963 | 9.249 | 75.99 | 11.976 | 14.248 | 98.22 | ARRRGGGGG. Lowered the boost to 19 psi to help fuel cut. I am still getting it but I stayed on the gas and it just cut once; enough to lower boost and carry on, then cut again on the shift. |
46 | .554 | 2.098 | 5.999 | 9.171 | 78.21 | 11.841 | 14.107 | 98.70 | This was at 17 psi. No fuel cut and NO DROP IN SPEED. Do you see now why I need a fuel controller. Fuel ratio is still 1.0 |
47 | .683 | 2.098 | 6.001 | 9.187 | 77.38 | 11.828 | 14.063 | 101.56 | Ok this was at like 16 psi and I stayed in 3rd gear to the line. I was this || close to the rev limiter. I think it was a timing error, BUT later track times are close enough to think maybe the car was just running a bit leaner and all the planets happened to be in line |
X | .549 | 2.019 | 5.918 | 9.116 | 77.17 | 11.780 | 14.062 | 98.86 | Average (All runs are counted, since they all equally suck,) |
4 June 1998
Mods:
Um . . . need I say how happy I was :) The only problem . . . I kept running against all these FAST purpose built-trailer queen drag cars. I'm not talking some mustang that can't idle with slicks. . . I'm talking amateur NHRA drag cars. You can just imagine the how it feelum . .i have NO idea dus to run against a 9 SECOND CAR. He was at the end of the track as I was passing the 1/8 mile marker and was going 139.77 MPH. Did I mention he pulled a 1.324 launch. It was truly comical. That just summed up he cars I ran against. No one really seemed to want to race me. they would line up behind me rather than fill up the lane next to me. Coincidence ?
# | R/T | 60' | 330' | 1/8 | MPH | 990' | 1/4 | MPH | Notes |
48 | .643 | 2.057 | 5.937 | 9.122 | 77.83 | 14.092 | 99.59 | This is at 17psi and BP 93 | |
49 | .713 | 1.894 | 5.698 | 8.816 | 79.39 | 13.708 | 99.32 | [grin] | |
50 | .540 | 1.912 | 5.780 | 8.923 | 78.92 | 13.827 | 96.73 | ||
51 | .662 | 1.902 | 5.748 | 8.906 | 79.21 | 13.889 | 97.81 | Ok not too bad so far . .but still not up to the level of my first 16g track visit. The trap speeds just aren't great. But my launching is feeling better. . . but not great yet. I still need to master this new clutch with the restrictor removed. It grabs so darned fast now | |
52 | .817 | 1.863 | 5.643 | 8.804 | 79.49 | 13.901 | 92.77 | Um . .this felt like SUCH a great run . .and I tried to shift REALLY fast into 4th . .guess what happened . . .:( still not a bad time for such a shitty trap. OH did I mention this is a new best for me on the launch WAAAHOOOO | |
53 | .726 | 1.799 | 5.587 | 8.741 | 78.81 | 13.663 | 100.45 | [grin] need I say more. Well how about I had to run against a 11 second car for this run. He pulled a 1.528 launch and 116 mph. | |
X | .683 | 1.904 | 5.732 | 8.885 | 78.94 | 13.847 | 98.78 | Average (just the 92 mph is ignored) |